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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Joe Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This type of shit is happening, in different forms, all around the state.  

Currently, there are wealthy (greedy) landowners who would like to see ALL BOATS removed from the Wade Stretch of the Madison River - Quake to Lyons.  Most of these a-holes live, for less than 2 months a year, down in the Big Bend below $3 Bridge.  They have gone to great lengths trying to get boats out of this stretch.  They write letters appealing FWP regulations, they throw thewir money around in hopes that it will do something and they put up fences.  There is a fence going into the river below $3 Bridge and if you walk around it, then get back on the bank as to not spoke the large trout eating dry flies on the bank, a Security Guy will come down and tell you that you are tresspassing and that he has called the Game Warden.  The warden will not write tickets - he told me this back in May.  From this fence down to the Pine Butte/ upper West Fork access, is private land.  Some belongs to the $3 Ranch and some to a developement called Sundance Bench.  However, there has been a trail down to the Big Bend for over 60 years, maybe longer.  Nobody, in the past, has ever cared about walking the banks on the Madison River.   The river is clean and well respected by all who come to fish.

About 10 years ago, maybe more, a different breed on landowners arrived in Montana.....greedy, weathly types.....&quot;Get off my lawn&quot; types.  These landowners are trying vey hard to eliminate boats in the wade stretch because they want the river to themselves.  

With a boat, one can float down (no fishing from boats from Quake to Lyons), park the boat and get out to fish.  These landowners absolutely hate it when a boat is parked in &quot;their&quot; water.  They will stand there with their arms crossed and glare at you.  Some will even make snide remarks trying to provoke you.  A few years ago, they started mowing a peice of ground, placed a picnic table down there and put up signs for NO TRESSPASSING and that walking the bank is illegal.  These folks can drive right to the river and fish.  Good for them, but fuck them too.  As a guide, I rarely have been in there with my boat and clients (maybe 6 trips in 14 years), but the opportunity to do so (for everyone) should not be challenged because some weathly landowner wants the river for himself.   If boats are removed from the wade stretch,  this long piece of amazing water will be privatized.  

Wealthy landowners have this perception that since they paid stupid amounts of money for a piece of land next to a river in Montana means that the river is now THEIRS.  These types of folks want the river to themselves and firmly believe that you and I don&#039;t belong there anymore.    

My point is this: Privatization of our rivers will continue well into the future around Montana.  These weathly folks will try to undermine the system for their own benefit.  As Bob Marley said,  &quot;Get up, stand up.  Stand up for your rights.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of shit is happening, in different forms, all around the state.  </p>
<p>Currently, there are wealthy (greedy) landowners who would like to see ALL BOATS removed from the Wade Stretch of the Madison River &#8211; Quake to Lyons.  Most of these a-holes live, for less than 2 months a year, down in the Big Bend below $3 Bridge.  They have gone to great lengths trying to get boats out of this stretch.  They write letters appealing FWP regulations, they throw thewir money around in hopes that it will do something and they put up fences.  There is a fence going into the river below $3 Bridge and if you walk around it, then get back on the bank as to not spoke the large trout eating dry flies on the bank, a Security Guy will come down and tell you that you are tresspassing and that he has called the Game Warden.  The warden will not write tickets &#8211; he told me this back in May.  From this fence down to the Pine Butte/ upper West Fork access, is private land.  Some belongs to the $3 Ranch and some to a developement called Sundance Bench.  However, there has been a trail down to the Big Bend for over 60 years, maybe longer.  Nobody, in the past, has ever cared about walking the banks on the Madison River.   The river is clean and well respected by all who come to fish.</p>
<p>About 10 years ago, maybe more, a different breed on landowners arrived in Montana&#8230;..greedy, weathly types&#8230;..&#8221;Get off my lawn&#8221; types.  These landowners are trying vey hard to eliminate boats in the wade stretch because they want the river to themselves.  </p>
<p>With a boat, one can float down (no fishing from boats from Quake to Lyons), park the boat and get out to fish.  These landowners absolutely hate it when a boat is parked in &#8220;their&#8221; water.  They will stand there with their arms crossed and glare at you.  Some will even make snide remarks trying to provoke you.  A few years ago, they started mowing a peice of ground, placed a picnic table down there and put up signs for NO TRESSPASSING and that walking the bank is illegal.  These folks can drive right to the river and fish.  Good for them, but fuck them too.  As a guide, I rarely have been in there with my boat and clients (maybe 6 trips in 14 years), but the opportunity to do so (for everyone) should not be challenged because some weathly landowner wants the river for himself.   If boats are removed from the wade stretch,  this long piece of amazing water will be privatized.  </p>
<p>Wealthy landowners have this perception that since they paid stupid amounts of money for a piece of land next to a river in Montana means that the river is now THEIRS.  These types of folks want the river to themselves and firmly believe that you and I don&#8217;t belong there anymore.    </p>
<p>My point is this: Privatization of our rivers will continue well into the future around Montana.  These weathly folks will try to undermine the system for their own benefit.  As Bob Marley said,  &#8220;Get up, stand up.  Stand up for your rights.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Wayne Mumford</title>
		<link>http://willfishforwork.com/2012/02/02/more-on-channel-manipulation-on-the-bitteroot/comment-page-1/#comment-46981</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Mumford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, seems like their are some fairly consistent themes running through a lot of these permits. I will say this, if the FWP biologist who stands in on the conservation districts permitting process was &quot;next door&quot; I would definitely be a nosy neighbor and find out what activities are going down on the river and not waiting for them to have a meeting although I think they should do that also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, seems like their are some fairly consistent themes running through a lot of these permits. I will say this, if the FWP biologist who stands in on the conservation districts permitting process was &#8220;next door&#8221; I would definitely be a nosy neighbor and find out what activities are going down on the river and not waiting for them to have a meeting although I think they should do that also.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne, you are absolutley right about &quot;we&quot; need to be on the watch. Sean at Ousprey Outfitters has been following and blogging about some of the controversial issues with FWP and the 310 process in this area the last few years. He is furious like the rest of us that there aren&#039;t more stringent laws protecting the resource from rip rap and diversion dams..... He was raging about this a couple years ago when a permit was issued and approved by the FWP Biologist in the area without public comment. Here are some of his blog posts covering this issue.

http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/mad-as-hell_27.html

http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/little-calmed-down-today.html

http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/04/time-to-stir-pot.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, you are absolutley right about &#8220;we&#8221; need to be on the watch. Sean at Ousprey Outfitters has been following and blogging about some of the controversial issues with FWP and the 310 process in this area the last few years. He is furious like the rest of us that there aren&#8217;t more stringent laws protecting the resource from rip rap and diversion dams&#8230;.. He was raging about this a couple years ago when a permit was issued and approved by the FWP Biologist in the area without public comment. Here are some of his blog posts covering this issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/mad-as-hell_27.html" rel="nofollow">http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/mad-as-hell_27.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/little-calmed-down-today.html" rel="nofollow">http://ospreyoutfittersflyshop.blogspot.com/2010/03/little-calmed-down-today.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Wayne Mumford</title>
		<link>http://willfishforwork.com/2012/02/02/more-on-channel-manipulation-on-the-bitteroot/comment-page-1/#comment-46966</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Mumford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You’d think they would have/want to leave something in the channel for the fish to survive&quot;.
You would think. I&#039;m not familiar with the ground but the whole idea of getting into the stream bed and moving it around to suit one groups needs at the expense of stream bed/aquatics and the rights of everyone else totally stumps me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’d think they would have/want to leave something in the channel for the fish to survive&#8221;.<br />
You would think. I&#8217;m not familiar with the ground but the whole idea of getting into the stream bed and moving it around to suit one groups needs at the expense of stream bed/aquatics and the rights of everyone else totally stumps me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Wayne Mumford</title>
		<link>http://willfishforwork.com/2012/02/02/more-on-channel-manipulation-on-the-bitteroot/comment-page-1/#comment-46961</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Mumford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I (we) thank you for your input here and the reference to the Missoulian article. It&#039;s an eye opener for sure. I&#039;m glad that I&#039;ve never seen a tippet as tangled as that mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I (we) thank you for your input here and the reference to the Missoulian article. It&#8217;s an eye opener for sure. I&#8217;m glad that I&#8217;ve never seen a tippet as tangled as that mess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne,

The Bitterroot Conservation District began issuing 310 permits to the landowners on Mitchell Slough for various work since 1975 when the Natural Streambed and Land Preservation Act became law. That was an important point in declaring the slough open to the public because you only need a permit for natural waterways, not ditches. The east channel has moved away from the headgate and every year after highwater the landowners have to build berms to channel water from the river to the slough headgate. Without the channel work the slough would be mostly dry. This last work, pointed out by False Casts however, looks to have been done more for spite. The best article explaining the numbing legalities was &quot;Muddy Waters&quot; in the Missoula Independent in 2009. 

Here&#039;s the post I did on Mitchell in 2009 with a link to the Independent article.

http://buttonvalley.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/conservation-conundrum/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>The Bitterroot Conservation District began issuing 310 permits to the landowners on Mitchell Slough for various work since 1975 when the Natural Streambed and Land Preservation Act became law. That was an important point in declaring the slough open to the public because you only need a permit for natural waterways, not ditches. The east channel has moved away from the headgate and every year after highwater the landowners have to build berms to channel water from the river to the slough headgate. Without the channel work the slough would be mostly dry. This last work, pointed out by False Casts however, looks to have been done more for spite. The best article explaining the numbing legalities was &#8220;Muddy Waters&#8221; in the Missoula Independent in 2009. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the post I did on Mitchell in 2009 with a link to the Independent article.</p>
<p><a href="http://buttonvalley.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/conservation-conundrum/" rel="nofollow">http://buttonvalley.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/conservation-conundrum/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Learn Something New Every Day: Bitterroot Gravel Shuffle Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learn Something New Every Day: Bitterroot Gravel Shuffle Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gleaned from a conservationist with significant expertise in the area. Here’s part of his post ‘More on channel manipulation on the Bitterroot&#8217;. The post by False Casts and Flat Tires on the apparent channel manipulation is nothing new to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gleaned from a conservationist with significant expertise in the area. Here’s part of his post ‘More on channel manipulation on the Bitterroot&#8217;. The post by False Casts and Flat Tires on the apparent channel manipulation is nothing new to the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on channel manipulation on the Bitteroot by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bummer. You used to be able to float this channel certain times of year.  I can&#039;t believe they would dry up the entire channel. 
The diversion gate has been there for years. The fencing is new to keep people out of what truly is an irrigation channel. The Tucker East Channel is definitely a natural channel of the Bitterroot but the only reason there is water in it is due to a huge bulldozed gravel bar protruding into the main river about a mile or so upstream. Otherwise there would be no water in the channel this time of year. They are out there every year after high water with tractors to move the gravel diversion around. Check it out on google earth and you&#039;ll see what it looks like. Just upstream from Victor. You&#039;d think they would have/want to leave something in the channel for the fish to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bummer. You used to be able to float this channel certain times of year.  I can&#8217;t believe they would dry up the entire channel.<br />
The diversion gate has been there for years. The fencing is new to keep people out of what truly is an irrigation channel. The Tucker East Channel is definitely a natural channel of the Bitterroot but the only reason there is water in it is due to a huge bulldozed gravel bar protruding into the main river about a mile or so upstream. Otherwise there would be no water in the channel this time of year. They are out there every year after high water with tractors to move the gravel diversion around. Check it out on google earth and you&#8217;ll see what it looks like. Just upstream from Victor. You&#8217;d think they would have/want to leave something in the channel for the fish to survive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Montana SB 314, turning rivers into irrigation ditches by Montana&#8217;s Bitteroot river bed a shovel-ready diversion project for private citizens? — Willfishforwork.com</title>
		<link>http://willfishforwork.com/2009/02/09/montana-sb-314-turning-rivers-into-irrigation-ditches/comment-page-1/#comment-46639</link>
		<dc:creator>Montana&#8217;s Bitteroot river bed a shovel-ready diversion project for private citizens? — Willfishforwork.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crossing on the Bitteroot that appear to direct more water to none other than the feed gates to Mitchell Slough, or may I digress- the rock &#8216;n roll fun park?. By the sound of it the fencing sounds a little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Crossing on the Bitteroot that appear to direct more water to none other than the feed gates to Mitchell Slough, or may I digress- the rock &#8216;n roll fun park?. By the sound of it the fencing sounds a little [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using the Quik Tye line threader by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember who gave me this Quik Tye, but it has been in my Tackle Box for a number of Years, I could never figure out what to do with it, today while cleaning out my tackle box, getting ready for Spring, I came back across the Quik Tye, I said I either fine out How to use it today or it Goes in the Trash Can, Thanks Wayne &gt;&lt; now I see why I Need it, and it will stay in the TOP Of MY TACKLE BOX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember who gave me this Quik Tye, but it has been in my Tackle Box for a number of Years, I could never figure out what to do with it, today while cleaning out my tackle box, getting ready for Spring, I came back across the Quik Tye, I said I either fine out How to use it today or it Goes in the Trash Can, Thanks Wayne &gt;&lt; now I see why I Need it, and it will stay in the TOP Of MY TACKLE BOX</p>
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